Way of the Master Transcript – Todd Friel and Doug Pagitt

On Oct. 22, 2007 there aired on Way of the Master Radio a phone interview between the host of the show (Todd Friel) and Doug Pagitt. The interview created quite a stir in the blogosphere, and if I remember correctly, several people at the fine Pyromaniacs blog were talking about the show.
I listened to the show, and was so surprised as to the difference between the Christianity that Todd presented and the Christianity that Doug believed in, that I felt the need to transcribe their conversation.
I originally hosted this transcript, but changed websites. The original transcript was unavailable on my website… until now!

Since there’s been a big interest in this again since the “Theology After Google” Conference which was just held, I decided to rehost this conversation in an effort to help show the difference between emergent thought and historical Christianity.
The original audio of the show was available formerly on Way of The Master.com’s website, but they’ve changed formats, and the original podcast isn’t readily available.
But all is not lost! I saved the interview in mp3 format, and you can listen to it here:
And here’s the transcript:

Brian McLaren’s New Book is Stirring Waves

At the SBTS blog “Towers”  there’s an interesting article called:

McLaren’s new book is merely a fresh take on an old lie, SBTS panelists say

“Brian McLaren, author and leading voice of the emergent church movement, has written a new book that seeks to reformulate Christianity, but it is nothing more than a wholesale rejection of historic Christianity, concluded members of a panel discussion Thursday at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.”

Brian McLaren’s success with young evangelicals has been picking up speed recently, and with his new book he seems to have completely shucked off his sheep outfit and is basically professing to be a wolf.

The problem? he still professes to be Christian.

What does Scripture have to say about such things?

Jud 1:14-23  It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones,  (15)  to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”  (16)  These are grumblers, finding fault, following after their own lusts; they speak arrogantly, flattering people for the sake of gaining an advantage.  (17)  But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ,  (18)  that they were saying to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.”  (19)  These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit.  (20)  But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,  (21)  keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.  (22)  And have mercy on some, who are doubting;  (23)  save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.

So the scriptures teach us that as we come closer and closer to the return of our Lord Jesus Christ, we would see such things. Even though we can expect such people to profess Christianity yet deny the basics of our beliefs as we have known them for 1,900 years, expecting them does not mean that we sit idly by while they drag unsuspecting people off into their own error and sin. Instead, we are told to “save others, snatching them out of the fire.”

The only way I know to do that is a two-fold method: 1) Proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Romans 1:16), and 2) Point out the error of following after someone like Brian McLaren.

New Sermon added

I preached tonight at the Waterfront Rescue Mission as part of Berean Baptist Church’s night to minister to the men.

The subject was God’s Curse and God’s Blessing. Here’s the sermon in mp3 format. Comments welcome:

rob_willmann_sermon_3-18-2010

Back after a break

It’s been a while since I used this space on the web, but recently I’ve had a strong desire to post some basic articles about defending Christianity and the hope we Christians have in the face of an ever-increasing world of sin that we live in.

Don’t expect profound things, just the plain Gospel that Jesus Christ saves sinners to the glory of God the Father.

I’ve also been making new videos for Youtube defending the faith, which you can find here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/robertwillmann

Keep the faith!

Rob